Free Will vs. Destiny
Here is a question from a fine gentleman who has been a long-time serious Heavenreader. He has written books, given seminars etc. You would probably know his name if he were okay with my using it.
His question was about Heavenletter #4309 Who Walks Across the Stage?, September 11, 2012.
Here's a very short quote from this Heavenletter:
You certainly do have say over your life, or do you? How much of your life is your free will? Even when you balk, are you the balker? How self-determining are you?
Here's the gentleman's question:
Dear Gloria, a very interesting message today! Beautifully written as always.
This particular message seems to take a different perspective than your previous messages about free will. Has there been some type of shift in your perspective lately, or do you see this one as somehow consistent with your other messages about free will. The previous messages seemed to indicate that we had extensive free will, whereas this one takes a different view.
My response:
To the best of my knowledge, Heavenletters™ are not from my perspective. I don’t initiate the topic. I sit with the intention to hear from God, and a first sentence comes and then it flows from then on. In every Heavenletter, God gives an angle or a sentence that is new to me, a surprise, and I love that.
At the same time, this does not mean that every theme in Heavenletters is new to me. This one about destiny and free will, although it may hold surprises for me, is something that I have increasingly wondered and pondered about.
A Heavenletter that appears today was written three months ago. It seems like a lifetime ago. I will go back and read it through right now and see what I recall or what pops up now. And thank you for including the entire Heavenletter here!
Okay, I just read over the Heavenletter. This isn’t the first time that God has called our lives fiction. I do recall that He has also spoken before about life as seen from a train. I’ll see if I can locate any of those.
One of the delights for me in this Heavenletter is the “perhaps perhaps…” Is God using a disclaimer? Or is He thinking to give this to us this way because a certainty would be too much for us all at once? Or does it not matter?
The idea of a watcher is not new to me. I had heard of it as witnessing. I also believe that I experience distance from my participation in my life. My life as I live it seems farther and farther from me. I feel bigger and smaller at the same time. The question of Who am I is not new, yet more and more, I also ask Where am I? I have to remind myself that I am in South Africa, yet I believe the question is greater than physical location.
If you go to this Heavenletter on the forum http://www.heavenletters.org/who-walks-across-the-stage.html you will see some comments. I love them, and your comment evokes a lot. It is so interesting and evocative. I would love it if you would post your comment on the forum. I remember you have some disinclination to do this.
Here are a few Heavenletters with the concept of our riding in a train rather than our steering our lives:
Blogreaders, at this point right now, when I look over this list of Heavenletters and reread the Heavenletters, I don't see why I chose them. Hmm, I don't see that they do deal with the question of free will vs. destiny. I'll leave them out here. I am sure there are such Heavenletters.
Anyway, here's the response from my friend:
Thanks for taking time to send such a beautiful response to my email. I enjoyed reading it and learning a little about your process in writing the Heavenletters. You are simply writing the words as they come through you, without concern about what you said before, what is consistent with previous messages, etc. I think that is wonderful!
Then I had to have the last word and wrote back:
Godwriting™ is the easiest thing in the world because God does it. If I had to personally think, it wouldn’t be Godwriting! If what God says, what I hear, has to fit in with what I know beforehand, or what I think I know , if, in other words, I judge what God says, I would be in my left brain rather than my right brain. The left brain is what is already known in the world. The right brain is the Unknown.
Obviously, I love talking about all this with you. It fills something for me.I did forget to mention that when I do personal Godwriting, I do ask questions.
I’ve thought a lot about what you asked and what you said now about consistency. Cannot opposites both exist? Who says it has to be one way or the other? Why not 100% free choice and 100% destined?
I wonder what you think.
Comments
This question of free will goes back thousands of years and we don't seem any closer to a consensus after all that time. Perhaps that comes from looking at it as if it had to be an either/or answer rather than it depends on how you look at it.
No question but that God is sovereign and in charge. Also no question but that He has given us the tremendous gift of free will, something that is priceless and not given to everyone. The question gets fuzzy when we start trying to figure out just who is this "I" that has this free will and what exactly we can do with it, if anything.
One of life's lessons seems to be that not only are we not our bodies, we aren't this ego either that is constantly making so much noise and nuisance and claiming to be sovereign and in charge of things. But if we aren't our ego, who is this exerting free will in our lives, maybe making decisions to live closer to God and trying to do so with more or less success? If my will is such a big deal, how come I can't finish cleaning up my house?
The trick seems to be to move our sense of identity from our ego over to our God Self, not something necessarily understood or done in an afternoon. If that journey starts with the first step, who decides to take that step? Maybe at the end of the journey this question of free will won't seem to matter so much. Maybe at some point if we actually have free will and are actually using it, we will use it to turn our will over to the Will of God.
I dunno, I ain't there yet. Excuse me, my ego wants to go outside.
Beloved Charles, I keep getting the strong sense that you are meant to write. You express bigger than yourself here. I have to ask Whose words these are? Did Charles write this, or is it Godwriting appearing before us here? More, please.
I seem to have no problem with any of that. You decide to have fun and take in a movie, on the way you have an accedent, Free Will??? You go and visit afriend, Not home Free Will??? Ego wants do do something.What is Ego?? ego goes when you Love!!! What is the question Free will ? Just take live as it comes and do not worry about what you do not understand, God understands and that is enough for me. I love and for the rest I enjoy live whichtever way it comes. I love and it has shooed away ego. All is love the rest is not important to me at least. Love you all Jack
Jack, you are perfect. You are perfectly Jack. Divine. Thank God for you. "Just love," you say, and God says the same. You and God not only say -- you live it.
Perfect not by a long shot, I learn dayly. But Ikeep trying and the beauty is, God helps me. Another funny thing is others unexpectidly drop something nice, in words or whatever that makes me feel good and see that others are the same. What you give will return so love more and all will love you if that tickles your ego fine. let it, God is most forgiving. "Love is For giving". See you next time, have fun and love well. Love to All Jack
FREE WILL IS OUR DESTINY.
There is more than pure rhetoric in the principle of free will.
God creates by Extending Himself and we, as His creations, have been given the same Will to create by extending. And it is a Loving Will. It is because we were created in the Likeness of God, which is Oneness, that we are creative.
In the Sameness, how could God have created us otherwise than free? This free will exists only "inside" where there is no feeling of lack.
The moment free will starts to mean separation through a rising sense of lack, then it has no more power to create. It can only project itself in an illusory "outside" world.
This "separated" free will is not freedom but emprisonment. It is the ego's misconception of free will. In fact, as long as our will is free, the ego cannot teach us anything because we won't listen to it.
Who never felt that he or she is emprisoned in some way? Does free will leads us to a state of emprisonment? Then it must be because our will is not free.
This apparent circular reasoning demonstrates to us that if free will leads us to a sense of lack and pain, then our free will is opposing God's Will which is our deep Will, in Likeness with Him. Do we want a free will that violates our own freedom?
Our real free will does not make us afraid of our will. God's will is our freedom. Freedom is our destiny.
I am constantly amazed at the brilliance of the comments from Heavenreaders. From where does such brilliance come?
Probably from the growing awareness of Oneness. Oneness speaking to Itself.